TOE Brakes and some more questions...

TOE Brakes and some more questions...

I just buy a 1965 Piper Cherokee 180 C, I am from Spain, I was surprise how it flyes, I mean SuperB. It has New Garmin Radio Pannel.
People from my club want to rent it to me, and even use for school proposes, I like idea, so maintenance will be cheaper for me; but spanish law want to install Toe Brakes.
My questions are:
1. Have anybody TOE brakes kit for sale?
2. Any company sell it?
3. My outside is perfect, my inside is good but small seat, i will try to update like Archer 3 next year, but I want a flat pannel, where to buy? Can somebody send to me draw and order it in PVC?
4. I talked with ppl from Autofuel, STC cost and kit is not so high, anybody can tell me more abt? Will lost any performance?
5. Any more ideas for year to year?

MANY, MANY THANKS IN ADVANCE, I hope u can help me mainly with brakes.

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... 1. Have anybody TOE brakes kit for sale?

Try aircraft salvage yards in the United States or Europe.
In the USA, you might check with Wentworth or White Aircraft

...2. Any company sell it?

You could probably buy it direct from Piper, but the salvage yards would be about half the price of new.

... but I want a flat pannel, where to buy? Can somebody send to me draw and order it in PVC?

If you are talking about changing the instrument panel itself, they are structural in the Cherokee, and getting approval for changes is very difficult, at least in the USA.

...4. I talked with ppl from Autofuel, STC cost and kit is not so high, anybody can tell me more abt? Will lost any performance?

No power loss.  You might be more subject to vapor lock.

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Many thanks for your first help.
Anybody can send me any draw for a new panel?
This have to be cutted in PVC or any metal?

Thanks

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Re: TOE Brakes and some more questions...

As I said before, if you are talking about changing the instrument panel itself, they are structural in the Cherokee, and getting approval for changes is very difficult, at least in the USA.

This is not as simple as just getting a drawing, having a new panel cut out, and bolting it in.  It is a STRUCTURAL issue and must be treated as such.
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So have to be original style?
No chance?
For a new yokes only can be salvages or form Avion Company?

Thanks in advance

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Regarding the panel, I've had mine replaced (a 1967 PA-28-140) and you can see a picture of it on this site at:

http://www.piperowner.org/photogallery_ … asp?ID=195

We replaced the left and right side panels with 1/8" aluminum plate.  Yes, the change was structural and required a DER letter to attest that the new panels were equal to or better in structural strength than the original (tinny) ones.  The new panels provide the flexibility to plan your panel the way you want.  This project took some time, but was done when we were compeltely refurbishing the airplane anyway.  All the approvals were done through mail and phone calls.

If you have specific questions, let me know.

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28-2533,

Call Larry at Cherokee Aircraft Salvage @ 540-664-2084 or website at:

www.cherokeeaircraftsalvage.com

for toe brake parts. He will be cheaper than the bigger salvage places. Tell him "the colonel" sent ya...

Contact Dick Russ at Aircraft Door Seals: http://www.aircraftdoorseals.com/index.php?cPath=48

He recently sold the company to a couple in Texas and you won't find the CAD drawings for doing a new panel on the website, but he will be contacted if you contact the new owners.

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I like your panel, ghendr, I think I will wait for next winter to work on inside...

LTC V, I will contact on monday with that company abt panel and check avaibility of the project, like I say, if it is complicated, I will wait till winter to remove all inside.

I am alredy in touch with Larry, he is out till monday, but I will try to discuss him prices from "the colonel", thank u very much.
He ask me 1000 usd + ship for brakes set, not so bad, in my range, but for all yokes he asked me another 1000 usd for the pair, little expensive, I think.

Thank you very much for the informations... I will inform in my next steps...
And my name is P J S (Pedro J Santos)

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PJS,

Tell Larry "the colonel" said to give you a "package deal". He may knock some money off if you buy the yokes too. The last set on eBay sold for nearly $900 USD.

If you have brackets (little mounting ears) on your rudder pedal "bar" (the deal that goes left and right), then you won't need the main rudder pedal bar. That will save you a lot of time and expense.

I know, because I put dual toe-brakes on my '66 Cherokee 140. There is a "slight" modification that has to be performed on the outer L & R side pedals. An A/P probably wouldn't do it, but I did and got a sign-off. If interested, email me for details.

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I will make some photos and send to u.

Thanks in advance

For the yokes, what do u think, best buy a new pair from Avion or used ones?

Thanks one more time

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Don't know if the questions were directed to me, but I'm partial to OEM Piper "ramhorns". That's what I put in my '66 Cherokee 140 - really look nicer than the bowties. I paid $500 for mine and they were the small shaft.

Here are new ones from Knots2U - nice, but pricey...

http://knots2u.com/AR%20PIPER.htm

I've seen the Avions brand, but they were $1500 last time I checked...

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I think are same from Avion or Knots2u, and similar price, but price is little up, or not?

Thanks in advance

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I forgot to say, that I like too much this panel, but I can not copy it, I love ...

One more time, thanks

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Looking for a company to install toe breaks on a Cherokee 180

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Bill, I would think that any A&P or IA could do that.  Note though, that it is quite tedious.
JimC

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If you're getting a toe-brake "kit", make sure you also get the firewall reinforcement (mounts on the engine side of the firewall) if your plane doesn't have it already.

Most of the "kits" I've seen for sale (ebay and elseware) don't include it.

Without it, you'll break the firewall...

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